ACC PS4 Penalties and Protests

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  1. JJ_Penguin

    JJ_Penguin Moderator Team Raceonoz Gold Member

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    Protests
    For ACC we have Stu, Rolz and Hatfield as the Stewards Group. I will act as a post box only. If you wish to submit a protest send me a PM and I will forward to the Stewards Group then post the outcome to the forum. It is up to you to record the replay and highlights to provide evidence for a protest. If an incident occurs within the first 2 laps or there is an obvious yellow flag situation during the race, in most instance I will have a replay so ask if you wish for footage to be looked at.

    Its a good chance to remind all entrants, on all platforms, that our OVER RIDING GOAL is to try to provide clean league racing for all those who enter. Contact is to be avoided at all costs, and track limits are to be obeyed at all times. All long term members know the drill, all new members will be filled in as we get closer to season start.
    Essentially, if you hit someone and gain an advantage, give the spot back !
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    Season 2 Round 3 - Hungaroring
    Autech - Someone1_Awesome
    Autech protested Someone1_Awesome for non-redressed contact on lap 2


    The comment from the stewards on this incident was If ever there was a video showing when to redress, this is it!

    25sec penalty to Someone1_Awesome for non-redress

    Last edited: Dec 7, 2020
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    Season 2 Round 4 - Misano
    Aadman - Tymorgo
    Tymorgo Protested Aadman for Non-redressed contact.



    Stewards Group have ruled that this incident is contact that should have been redressed but have taken into account the following:
    - The incident is caused by a typical Lap 1 concertina effect with cars banking up for a slow corner. This is shown in the 1st 10 seconds of the video.

    - @33 Aadman is on the brakes all the way through to to 40sec.
    - It is noted that Aadman is keeping a gap to the car Tymorgo infront.
    - Aadman lifts off the brakes slightly in order to make the corner, at the same time Tymorgo brakes heavily due to the consertina effect of the cars ahead.
    - Although Aadman takes reasonable steps to avoid an incident, it is the view of the Stewards Group that the contact should have been redressed.


    However, the Stewards Group have decided that a 25 second penalty is too severe for this particular incident, especially when comparing it to the incident from the previous round.

    Aadman has been penalised 5 seconds for non-redressed contact. Aadman has the right to appeal.
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    Season 3 Round 1 Pro/Am - Zolder
    Incident between Psycogency and Brettwant
    Brettwat protested Psycogency for non-redressed contact



    10 second penalty to Psycogency - Moves Psycogency from 3rd to 5th in the resuts
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    Season 3 Round 1 Pro - Zolder
    Incident between AngryOldFella & Aadman
    Aadman protested AngryOldFella for impeding in Qualifying



    Warning to AngryOldFella for impeding during Qualifying. Stewards decision is based on the fact that the Pit exit at Zolder is in a difficult position and AngryOldFella was still within the Pit exit lines.

    Driver Briefing has been updated to reflect changes to the Pit Exit ruling.
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    Season 3 Round 1 Pro - Zolder
    Incident between NigeGunz & Kart-no-1
    Kart-no-1 protested NigeGunz for non-redressed contact.



    Stewards have decided that this is a racing incident. But both drivers need to take responsibility for the position of their cars in this scenario. The overtake was probably not on around the outside and space must be given to cars that are attempting overtakes.
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    Rule Clarification - Blue Flags
    The Driver Briefing has been adjusted to the following in regards to the blue flag rules.

    The Following rule is from the Rooz Rulebook and will be administered in ACC. Breaches will incur penalties if deemed necessary by stewards.

    (ix) If you are being lapped do not attempt to race the passing car. Blue flag rules apply. Meaning you must concede track position to drivers on the lead lap within a reasonable time frame. If you are battling for position with another driver some concession can be made, but at your next available opportunity (such as before the braking zone on a straight), you should concede track position. A rule of thumb for a reasonable time frame is within four corners, unless you can pull away (out of slip stream range) during this time due to fresher tyres for example.

    A Lapped car has 4 corners from the 1st blue flag to yield to the lapping car. Blue flags beyond the 4th corner may incur penalties on a case by case basis. If a lapped gains back their lap by overtaking a car on the lead lap then they have 1 lap to break blue flag or they will be required to give the position back.


    The below video demonstrates how Blue Flags need to be handled.
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    Season 3 - Round 2 - Paul Ricard
    Incident 2 - Bounty_0_5 & Slambobagen

    Bounty is protesting Slambo for non-redressed contact.







    Stewards Decision - No Penalty
    Bounty_0_5 was never ahead or had an overlap, Slambobagen left enough room.
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    JJ_Penguin Moderator Team Raceonoz Gold Member

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    Season 3 - Round 2 - Paul Ricard
    Incident 3 - Bounty_0_5 & AngryOldFella
    Drivers are protesting each other






    Stewards Decision - 25 Second penalty to Bounty
    Angry has made the pass and is clearly ahead.
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    Season 3 - Round 2 - Paul Ricard
    Incident 4 - Bounty_0_5 & EagleWind_D-Roll
    Bounty is protesting Eagle for Race ending contact








    Stewards Decision - 25 Second Penalty to EagleWind_D-Roll
    Eagle should have given Bounty more racing room especially with the width of the track in that position.
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    Season 3 - Round 2 - Paul Ricard
    Incident 5 - Brettwant & Bounty_0_5

    Brettwant is protesting Bounty for unsafe re-entry to the track after the above incident and for the Drive Through Penalty to be excluded.



    Stewards Decision - Warning to Bounty for Unsafe Re-entry
    The drive through penalty will remain in place for Brett. The only way for in-game penalties to be removed is if we ran Live Stewarding in Admin Mode.
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    Season 3 - Round 2 - Paul Ricard
    Incident 1 - A_River_Runs & NigeGunz

    A_River_Runs is protesting NigeGunz for contact at the end of Mistral Straight



    Stewards Decision - 25 Second Penalty
    River is far enough ahead and left enough of a gap for 2 cars to get through that corner.

    Nige appealed the Stewards Decision

    Appeal Result determined by Koastr

    A_River_Runs turned in on Nige. No penalty warranted. Penalty has been removed

    River can plainly see in the radar that Nige still has an overlap so he hasn't 'lost the corner' he in fact still has track position as the inside driver. At this point, as the driver (still) challenging for position River must take responsibility for avoiding contact and can't expect to take a normal line towards the apex but must stay wide. That is the risk of making a move around the outside and why Nige has taken a clever defensive position to the inside.
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    Season 3 - Round 3 - Brands Hatch
    Incident 1 - xxsparkygodxx & Psycogency

    xxsparkygodxx is protesting Psycogency for non-redressed contact. 19:50 mark in below video



    Stewards Decision - 25 Second Penalty to Psycogency
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    Season 3 - Round 3 - Brands Hatch - Am2
    Protest 2 - HSVV12 is protesting Flyskydhk for incorrect race start



    Stewards have determined that Flyskydhk did jump the start and will receive a 25 second penalty. The stewards also determined that Hsvv12 did also jump the start and will be receiving a 25 second penalty as well.

    Protest Appeal by ICR
    Reasoning - ICR doesn't believe that the penalty issued to HSV for his actions matches the penalty issued to Flyskydyk for his on track actions

    Decision by Koastr
    Ignorance of the rules is not grounds for an appeal. For instance if it was corner cutting, and HSV was just following someone else there would be no question it deserved a penalty. Jump start is a jump start is a breach warranting penalty. Circumstances are irrelevant in my opinion.
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    Season 3 - Round 4 - Zandvoort - ProAm
    Protest 1 - Incident between Gazzas_here & Hsvv12

    Gaz is protesting Hsv for non-redressed contact.


    Gaz POV - 1:40:00


    Hsv POV - 1:48:20

    Stewards Decision - 25 Second penalty to Hsvv12
    Gaz remains inside the pit exit lines and has the inside line for turn 1.
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    Season 3 - Round 4 - Zandvoort - Am2
    Protest 2 - incident between bvracing and FamiliaGTR

    bvracing (green car) is protesting FamiliaGTR for non-redressed contact





    Stewards Decision - 25 Second penalty to FamiliaGTR
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    Season 3 - Round 4 - Zandvoort - Pro
    Protest 3 - Incident between JonoStan and Chubbe08

    JonoStan is protesting Chubbe08 for non-redressed contact.




    59:00

    Steward Decision - 25 Second Penalty to Chubbe08
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    Season 3 - Round 5 - Pro

    Protest 2 - Incident Between Kartdude and Gazzas_Here & Itspaulybeeatchs

    Kartdude is protesting Gaz for ignoring blue flags and Kartdude is also protesting Pauly for turning him around taking the position.



    Steward Decision
    - Warning to Gaz for impeding cars on the lead lap. Stewards decided that Gaz should have let the leaders by in a safer position.
    - Position swap for Kartdude and Pauly. Kartdude will now finish 4th and Pauly 5th.
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    Protest 1 - Incident between Bounty & JonoStan
    JonoStan is protesting Bounty for ignoring blue flags, then impeding him after cutting the track.



    Stewards Decision
    Stewards decided it was intentional impeding of a car on the lead lap and causing a collision. Penalty is Bounty has been Disqualified from the race.
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    PS4/5 ACC Season 4 Rd 1 Protest


    Barter 25 second penalty, penalty for making contact with another car and sending them into the wall
    please work on grid forming... needs to be a lot cleaner.

    start procedure/lap 1 notes to be updated
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